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    To put it in perspective, you can place all forms of Christianity groups into three groups. The far left, far right and centralist concerning the primary teaching of salvation, concerning baptism, particularly the subject of works.

Romans 11:2 God did not cast off his people which he foreknew. Or know ye not what the scripture saith of Elijah? how he pleadeth with God against Israel: 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have left for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace (unmeritorious provision). 6 But if it is by grace (unmeritorious provision), it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.

Romans 11:7 What then? that which Israel seeketh for, that he obtained not; but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened: 8 according as it is written, God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this very day. 9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, And a stumblingblock, and a recompense unto them:

    The far left consist of Baptist, Methodist/Wesleyan, Lutheran, Presbyterian, mnay of the Pentecostal/Charismatic, Episcopalian/Anglican, Assemblies of God, the Contemporarily Evangelical Movement (one sees mostly on TV). They also have a  spirit (mental deposition, particular thinking, frame of mind) of stupor, concerning the old law of Moses comes the knowledge of sin. Paul had pointed out, the old law of Mosses wasn’t made to make men fully righteous in God's eyes, for all men had violated some form of the old law comes the knowledge of sin, instead was to show men they are all sinners. The far left misguidedly claim baptism is such a work, such as of the works of the old law comes the knowledge of sin or another part of the concerning the sign of circumcision. They fail to perceive, accept, welcome Paul's words baptism is the working of God.

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John 6:28-59 28 They said therefore unto him, What must we do, that we may work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.




Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, wherein ye were also raised with him through faith (persuasion) in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Ephesians 2 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus ....

  Baptism is God’s work in man, called grace (unmerited provision) to unite a man in Christ death, his body, and especiallly unite men in his crucifixion (shedding of blood), burial with Christ, and resurrection, when God now sees you coming up out of the water, in Christ body, in his spirit (mental disposition, frame of mind, particular thinking) forgiven of sins, saved, is justified from sin. The bible shows there is another form of works that are not our own, but God’s works working in man.
   On the opposite side, the far right are the Catholics, I perceive as also has a spirit (mental deposition, particular thinking) of stupor, who see baptism forgives, saves, but have conjured up, their own form of baptism, sprinkling, and done to infants which can’t have faith in Christ, repent and confess his name as Lord. Which then is a conjured up work of man, tradition making void the word of God. Catholics ran out of the boundaries (authorized by Christ and his Apostles) of the race, in sprinkling infants, claiming falsely it’s baptism, they have created many more conjured up works, traditions making void the word of God.

  The dilemma, many from the far left, Baptist, Methodist/Wesleyan, Lutheran, Presbyterian, many of the Pentecostal/Charismatic, Episcopalian/Anglican, Assemblies of God, the Contemporarily Evangelical Movement (one sees mostly on TV) were previous Catholics, were easily deceived, going from one extreme to another extreme. Going from being Catholics who conjured up many works, falsely posing them as of God, then being justifiably against such conjured up works, then they went to the extreme left, unjustifiably disallowed the works of God, particularly baptism for the purpose of justifying, forgiving sins, saves. They been blindly lead to a conjured up work of man, referred to as sinners prayer, falsely claiming it saves. They have latch onto a prayer, thinking there must be nothing wrong with a simple, seemingly innocent prayer, to think it saves, right? Wrong, they have lean on their own understanding, a very effective way of deceiving unstable visitors who haven’t read carefully the word God. With the large assemblies, TV, using a charismatic speaker and some earlier verses of Jesus in his ministry, ignoring Jesus' later verses, and especially his Apostles words, stirs up the crowd into an emotional frenzy, making them think the high feeling is of God, to cause the visitor to make a quick snap decision using the seemingly innocence of a prayer, to deceive them by a prayer. Who haven’t read through carefully the words of Christ and his apostles, about baptism and particularly about works, the  three different forms described in the NT, to make a fully knowledgeable decision.

    Then there are the centralist (once refered to as independents and baptist, being part of the heritage in the United States of America from the 1700's to the establishing a nation having freedom of religion, then taking the name of disciples of Christ, churches of Christ, christian churches, attributed in the early 1800's a major role in the spiritual growth of our young nation), concerning baptism and it’s particular scriptural purpose. Among the centralist are the churches of Christ with congregations in every state, particularly in Tennessee, Texas, the many southern states, 13,000 congregations and the independent Christian churches in the heart of the country, the mid west and simply independents, who share a common doctrine, perceive baptism, as a work of God. God working in man to forgive sins, save, justify man, the grace (unmeritorious provision) of God. Following the pattern, the spirit (mental disposition, particular thinking, frame of mind) surrounding baptism in the new testament, particularly
after Jesus death and resurrection when the church, kingdom of heaven was establish on Pentecost. Reading in the book of Acts, and other letters of the Apostles, contain the eye witness accounts of instituting baptism (water immersion) in Christ, to forgive sins, saves, is justified from sin. In other articles, the right column of this web site, explains further the topic of baptism, how and why baptism forgives sins, saves, is justified from sin. Especially explaining baptism is the grace (unmeritorious provision), a work of God  in man, not man’s own work or his own righteousness. So no man may boast, but perceives his salvation as the mercy, grace (unmeritorious provision) of God working in him, not due to his running or will, but election according to God’s good pleasure, will. So everyone who is truly saved, may reach out to others, knowing they were also unsaved, in darkness, needing the light, grace, mercy in the word of God. (There is some differences of agreement, among the centralist, concerning free will, predestination as written and defined in the new testament, not affected so much fellowship, more as one’s understanding, perception )

Philippians 2:12-13 12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.

   Some famous people associated with the churches of Christ, christian churches: James A. Garfield - U.S. President, Lyndon Baines Johnson - U.S. President, Ronald Reagan - U.S. President (raised in Disciples of Christ), David Lloyd George - prime minister of Britain, Lew Wallace - Civil War general, Frances McDormand - actress (Fargo, etc.), John Stamos - actor (Full House TV sitcom, etc.), John Cornyn - Republican Senator from Texas (2002-present), Ted Poe - U.S. Representative from Texas (2005-present), James Hahn - mayor of Los Angeles, California, Byron Nelson - professional golfer, Kenny Perry - professional golfer, Fred Thompson - former U.S. Senator (Repub.) from Tennessee; now actor, who plays the District Attorney on the TV series "Law and Order" (raised in CoC), Gene Tormohlen - former professional basketball player (Atlanta Hawks, Phoenix Suns); now chief scout for L.A. Lakers, Dwight Yoakam - singer, songwriter, actor, Randy Travis - country music singer, Glen Campbell - country music singer (raised CoC), Weird Al Yankovic - comedic singer, entertainer famous for his satirical spoofs music videos and lyrics (Vegan), Roy Orbison - country music singer, Brandy (Norwood) - R&B singer, actress (raised CoC), Kathryn Morris - actress best known as the star of the 2000s CBS TV series Cold Case (raised CoC), Laurie Anderson - performance artist (raised CoC), Kenneth Starr - lawyer, judge; chief Independent Counsel charged with investigating Pres. Bill Clinton, leading to the President's impeachment, William Kay Moser - author, conscientious objector during Korean War, Gary Freeman - author of A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Heaven, Vachel Lindsay - (1879-1931) American poet known as the "Prairie Troubador", Steve Cropper - guitarist Blues Bros. and Booker T., Meatloaf - singer, actor (real name Marvin Lee Aday), Jeff Martin - TV writer for David Letterman and "The Simpsons" (raised CoC), The Cowsills - sang "Indian Lake" and "Hair", George Pepperdine - Western Auto, Pepperdine University, Loretta Lynn - country singer, Sonny James - country singer, Don Williams - country singer, Marty Roe - lead singer, Diamond Rio, Amy Grant - singer, Mark Wills - country music singer (raised CoC), Waylon Jennings - country music (raised CoC), Ray Walker - Jordannaires, back up for Elvis, David Robinson - NBA, San Antonio Spurs, Clyde Lee - NBA, Fred McGriff - baseball, Gene Stallings - Alabama football coach, Wimp Sanderson - Alabama basketball coach, Bill Bates - Dallas Cowboys, Jim Morris - baseball player depicted in movie "The Rookie", Rick Parros - running back Denver, Jim Jenkins - creator of the cartoon "Doug", Lynette Cole - 2000 Miss USA, Doug Poling - CBS newsman, Mike Adams - President U of Ga., Joe Johnson - President of University of Tenn., Bill Banowski - ex-president of Oklahoma U. and Gaylord Corp., Fred D. Gray - attorney who defended Rosa Parks, A.M. Burton - Founder of Life & Casualty Insurance Co., Bill Elliott - NASCAR driver, Montgomery Gentry - singers; two-man country band consisting of Eddie Montgomery and Troy Gentry, Kitty Wells - queen of country music, Ronnie Dunn - singer, of Brooks and Dunn (former), Holly Dunn - country singer, Kenny Bill Stinson - musician, Pat Sajak - Wheel of Fortune host, Dee Presley - Elvis Presley's stepmother, David and Richard Stanley - step-brothers of Elvis, Jessie Brown Pounds - (1861-1921) composer, songwriter, Dale Clevenger - musician, Tillit S. Teddlie - (1885-1987) hymnodist, Lloyd O. Sanderson - hymnodist, Scott Hamilton - U.S. figure skater, Olympic gold medalist (convert)

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